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From orlandi Tue Apr 21 12:25:38 1998
Subject: first message
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Dear Colleagues, this is the first message of the
list: << formhum >>, which I have set up as a fast
link among the members of the Aco*Hum working group:
Formal Methods in the Humanities.
The members of the working group are those who have
answered affirmatively to my message, namely:
bill@ccl.umist.ac.uk Bill Black
walter.daelemans@kub.nl
nivre@ling.gu.se Joakim Nivre
ingo.kropac@kfunigraz.ac.at
mthalle@gwdg.de Manfred Thaller
dsrapa@unina.it Maddalena Toscano
joseph.bell@msk.uib.no
jsouil@inalco.fr Jacques Souillot
Espen.Ore@hit.uib.no
lou.burnard@oucs.ox.ac.uk
[and myself, of course]
You may send messages to the list (i.e. to all of us)
at the following address:
formhum@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
You may also (if you decide that you are no more interested
in the working group) retire from the list writing to
majordomo@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
a message: "unsubscribe formhum".
I look forward a fruitful collaboration!
Tito Orlandi
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Dear Mr. Orlandi,
I received your message regarding the list "formhum". I would like to
either be on the list or to receive a copy of the messages so that I can
be oriented of the work you are doing, and also out of personal
internest in the subject area.
How do I proceed from here?
Best regards,
Bente Opheim
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From orlandi Tue Apr 21 12:54:05 1998
Subject: meeting(s)
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Dear Colleagues,
it is evident that the first action of our working group
will be some sort of meeting at the Bergen conference, which
will clarify our goals, proceeding further from what is
stated in our web page (reminder: www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/fm),
and planning the future.
Manfred Thaller suggested:
> Less formally on "formal methods": How about a 'workshop', more or
> less in the form of a round table, on the last day of the conference?
> That is a little bit tricky for me to propose, as I am already involved
> with another workshop (offered by the historians) on the same day, but I
> assume we can arrange for that. I could imagine, that a round table on
> the relationship between IT as tools v. IT as methods COULD draw some
> attention. If this goes along with your plans at all, we might discuss,
> how far we could provide you, from bergen, with some infrastructure for
> that - e.g. with some form of pre-publication to accompany the
> conference.
I like the idea very much, and should like to know your opinion.
Also, it might be possible to have a preparatory meeting here in
Rome, e.g. in July, if a majority of you is in favor. This because
Bente Opheim (16 Apr 98 15:57:55) tells us that the budget allows
to finance one meeting pr. working group. Let me have your opinion.
Cordiali saluti, Tito
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From orlandi Wed Apr 22 12:22:23 1998
Subject: Bergen conf. & workshops
To: formhum@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:22:23 +0100 (BST)
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As some mailing activity concerning the Bergen conference
and/or the Working Groups has been carried on generating
some confusion, it is important to clarify that:
It came to my mind in March that a workshop about modeling
of texts could prove useful for the Bergen conference, but
this was to be INDEPENDENT from the the eventual activitis
of the working group on Formal Methods; and I could not
(for reason of time etc.) propose myself as the organizer.
So I am still interested in it (I shall not be in Debrecen),
but just as a possible participant.
For what concerns OUR working group, I had in mind to
arrange a "propositive" meeting in Bergen, and in the
meantime Manfred Thaller suggested to arrange a workshop
"more or less in the form of a round table" on the subject
of "formal methods". This last suggestion may well include
my initial idea, so I am organizing it (cf. my preceding
message).
Also valid remains the idea to have a _preparatory_ meeting
in Rome in July, though this is more problematic, and I have
received a negative answer [NOTE: please send such messages
of common interest to the list, not to myself -- and of course
vice-versa].
This is that for now. Cordially,
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From: Lou Burnard
To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
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I will be very happy to participate in a meeting to discuss formal
modelling of textual properties while I am attending the AcoHum
conference in Bergen, whatever the status of the meeting might be.
I have (incidentally) recently finished a paper on a related topic:
the formal validation of corpus annotation. Although this relates to a
very specific application area (morpho-syntactic analysis of language)
which may not interest many others in the group, and is also rather
technical, I would value comments from any of you who have time to
read it. The current draft is at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~lou/wip/ELRA/WP3/
and it will be presented at the LREC conference next month.
I would find it difficult to get to a meeting in Rome in July unless
it is (a) short (b) funded (c) near the beginning of the month.
best wishes
Lou
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From orlandi Tue Apr 28 11:38:21 1998
Subject: workshop in Bergen
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Having received scarce reactions to my message of 22 April,
I have taken the decision to propose a workshop-round table
for the next Bergen conference. Before addressing an official
proposal to the conference committee, though, I want to be
certain of the participation as speakers of 5-6 members of
our group.
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Name of the workshop: Formal methods in the humanities and their
teaching.
Goals: scientific definition of some of the problems raised by
the formal methods in the humanities, by the speakers;
discussion of the academic perspectives of the discipline,
and the role of the working group.
Number of speakers: 4-6
Time requested: (ca.) 2 hours for the speakers; 1 hour for the
discussion.
Facilities required: ?
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Those of you who wish to be speakers, please send me a
message, indicating the title of the proposed paper.
Others please send anyway a message stating (or not) their
presence at the workshop.
Cordiali saluti, Tito Orlandi
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From: Lou Burnard
To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
Subject: Re: FORMHUM: workshop in Bergen
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|Those of you who wish to be speakers, please send me a
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I propose to speak on the subject:
"Text Encoding: the construction of meanings in a new medium"
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Dear prof. Orlandi,
I will be present at the workshop, but would like to
limit my involvement this time to the discussions.
I don't have suitable material for a paper right now.
Best wishes,
-- Walter Daelemans
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From: Joseph Norment Bell
Subject: Re: FORMHUM: meeting(s)
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At 12:54 21.04.98 +0100, you wrote:
>Manfred Thaller suggested:
>
>> Less formally on "formal methods": How about a 'workshop', more or
>> less in the form of a round table, on the last day of the conference?
>> That is a little bit tricky for me to propose, as I am already involved
>> with another workshop (offered by the historians) on the same day, but I
>> assume we can arrange for that. I could imagine, that a round table on
>> the relationship between IT as tools v. IT as methods COULD draw some
>> attention. If this goes along with your plans at all, we might discuss,
>> how far we could provide you, from bergen, with some infrastructure for
>> that - e.g. with some form of pre-publication to accompany the
>> conference.
>
>I like the idea very much, and should like to know your opinion.
Something like this, in any case, seems appropriate
>
>Also, it might be possible to have a preparatory meeting here in
>Rome, e.g. in July, if a majority of you is in favor. This because
>Bente Opheim (16 Apr 98 15:57:55) tells us that the budget allows
>to finance one meeting pr. working group. Let me have your opinion.
>
I think this is an excellent idea, something we need before the conference.
>
Greetings and all the best.
Joseph
Joseph N. Bell
Professor of Arabic
Middle Eastern Languages and Cultures
University of Bergen
Hans Tanksgt. 19
N-5020 Bergen, Norway
tlf. +47 5558 2860
fax +47 5558 9410
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Dear Tito,
I will try to come to the conference but my presence
depends on a few other factors, so it is perhaps a
good idea to keep me out of the speakers' list for now.
Regards,
Joakim
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Dear Tito, Dear Colleagues,
just an abstract for a paper offered for the workshop / round table at
Bergen.
I do not know, whether we started voting on that already, but I think
the pre-meeting in Rome would be a very good idea; it would have to be
before the 11th of July for me to attend, however, if we stay with July.
Best regards, Manfred
Proposed abstract:
The application of computers in the Humanities has frequently been
seen as a field, where ready made tools should be applied for short term
profit. This approach has obvious implications for the teaching of the
Humanities: when the purpose of the application of IT is the reaching of
short term goals, to teach such applications has necessarily to be tied
to practical courses.
If one reviews the various attempts to teach "Humanities and
Computing" courses during the last twenty years, one easily sees, that a
majority of them disappeared within a few years, because the subjects
taught were after that time to be considered part of a general computer
literacy, which students either acquired outside of university teaching
or considered to be too trivial, to be bothered with.
It is highly significant in that context, that the only field in the
traditional Humanities which has been succesful in spawning its own IT
related sub-discipline, computer linguistics, has gone a completely
different way. While the situation of a few years ago, when computer
linguists considered practical computing as a matter too trivial to
bother a highly trained scientist, has disappeared, the discipline is
still using a very high level of abstraction in its approach to
computing.
The paper proposes, that in other areas of the Humanities the
definition of similarly abstract sub-disciplines can be undertaken
successfully. It argues further, that only such an approach can define a
topic which can be usefully taught to students over the short term
changes in IT fashions. It explores, what the curriculum of such courses
would have to be and ends by comparing a number of current curricula in
Europe, which provide "Computer and Humanities" degrees on a high level
of generality.
--
Manfred Thaller
Forskningsprogram for humanistisk informasjonsteknologi /
Humanities Information Technology Research Programme
Harald Haarfagresgt. 31
N-5007 Bergen
Tel. +47 55 58 94 68
FAX +47 55 58 94 70
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From orlandi Wed May 20 12:19:20 1998
Subject: last call for Bergen
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Dear Colleagues,
I would like to remind you that as Members of the Working Group
of AcoHum for "formal methods in the humanities" you should try
and participate in the previously announced Bergen's Workshop:
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Name of the workshop: Formal methods in the humanities and their
teaching.
Goals: scientific definition of some of the problems raised by
the formal methods in the humanities, by the speakers;
discussion of the academic perspectives of the discipline,
and the role of the working group.
Number of speakers: 4-6
Time requested: (ca.) 2 hours for the speakers; 1 hour for the
discussion.
Facilities required: ?
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Up to now, only Lou Burnard, Manfred Thaller, and myself have
agreed to be speakers; and W. Daelemans has announced his
participation but will not speak.
Those interested PLEASE LET ME KNOW THEIR DECISION as soon as
possible, and I shall send the final results to Bente Opheim
on May, 22.
Cordially, Tito
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Dear colleagues,
Here is the title of the paper I propose for September in Bergen. I am not
yet sure which working group it should represent, if it is accepted.
Title: The Orientalist Journal as Multilingual Corpus and Pedagogical Tool
Submitted by:
Joseph N. Bell
Professor of Arabic, Section Head
Middle Eastern Languages and Cultures
University of Bergen
Hans Tanksgt. 19
N-5020 Bergen, Norway
voice: (47) 5558 2860
(47) 5558 4771
fax: (47) 5558 9410
Abstract:
At the ACO*HUM Policy Symposium in Granada in 1997, the elaboration of
guidelines for a European Masters program in Arabic to parallel the one
being prepared in African languages by CAMEEL was discussed as a possible
task of the NEL working group. In this context, the building of a small
model corpus of texts in Arabic as well as Latin script was proposed. The
corpus would serve both as a pedagogical tool and as a laboratory for
fine-tuning searching software in accordance with the needs of the
humanistic disciplines. It has not yet been possible to set up the model
corpus, but as one of those involved in the idea, I would like to suggest
that the electronic version of an already existing orientalist journal may
be used in much the same way as the proposed model corpus. The technical
problems involved are not significantly different, which reflects the fact
that the goal is very much the same, namely, the creation of a controlled
and searchable body of multilingual, multiscript, and multimedia material
with the aim of furthering teaching and research in the humanities.
The idea of creating a model corpus on which to test study and research
techniques was a response to the concern of education in the humanities at
all levels with the improvement of communication and fundamental research
skills. Since the proportion of resources available to students and
researchers in electronic form is rapidly increasing, educational programs
must take this into account. Alongside the considerable resources in varying
formats becoming available online or on CD, the need was felt for a corpus
or database that would attempt to confront specifically the problems raised
by languages using non-Roman scripts and those with linguistic structures
that require adaptation of common stemming and searching techniques.
The orientalist journal has traditionally been a collection of both primary
and secondary sources, and of both written and graphic material, gathered
with the aim of making possible further study and analysis. In digital form,
it must make all this material useable and searchable electronically. The
problems are precisely those of a corpus of primary materials, with the
addition of the problems of rendering the many different European languages,
the layout conventions (of mathematical equations, for example), and the
critical apparatus found in secondary sources.
This paper attempts to demonstrate how problems common to the proposed model
corpus and the orientalist journal are being dealt with in the publication
of the digital files of the Journal of Arabic and Islamic Studies. It is
further suggested that this journal with its supplements, or a collection of
several such journals, could serve the same purpose as a model corpus.
All the best
Joseph Bell
Joseph N. Bell
Professor of Arabic
Middle Eastern Languages and Cultures
University of Bergen
Hans Tanksgt. 19
N-5020 Bergen, Norway
tlf. +47 5558 2860
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Dear Tito
My apologies for not replying sooner. I would be very happy to
participate and to speak. I would be glad to speak about the
experience of applying formal methods in research and teaching in the
humanities here at King's College, or I could take a more theoretical
approach, as you think would be best for the session.
Best wishes
Harold
On Wed, 20 May 1998 12:19:20 +0100 (BST)
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> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I would like to remind you that as Members of the Working Group
> of AcoHum for "formal methods in the humanities" you should try
> and participate in the previously announced Bergen's Workshop:
>
> ============================================================
>
> Name of the workshop: Formal methods in the humanities and their
> teaching.
>
> Goals: scientific definition of some of the problems raised by
> the formal methods in the humanities, by the speakers;
> discussion of the academic perspectives of the discipline,
> and the role of the working group.
>
> Number of speakers: 4-6
>
> Time requested: (ca.) 2 hours for the speakers; 1 hour for the
> discussion.
>
> Facilities required: ?
>
> ============================================================
>
> Up to now, only Lou Burnard, Manfred Thaller, and myself have
> agreed to be speakers; and W. Daelemans has announced his
> participation but will not speak.
>
> Those interested PLEASE LET ME KNOW THEIR DECISION as soon as
> possible, and I shall send the final results to Bente Opheim
> on May, 22.
>
> Cordially, Tito
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Tito Orlandi orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
> CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
> P.zale Aldo Moro, 5 Fax 39+6.4991-3945
> 00185 Roma http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
Harold Short, Director, Centre for Computing in the Humanities
King's College London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS, UK
Harold.Short@kcl.ac.uk Tel:+44 (0)171 873 2739 Fax:+44 (0)171 873 5081
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From: Maddalena Toscano
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Dear Tito Orlandi,
the NEL group will have a meeting in Naples next week during which we will
decide our participation to the Conference. I think that in principle you
can consider that at least one member from NEL will attend the proposed
workshop on methodology but I cannot foretell whether there will be a paper
or not. I shall be in touch with you again at the end of next week.
Greetings. Maddalena Toscano
At 12.19 20/05/98 +0100, you wrote:
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>Dear Colleagues,
>
>I would like to remind you that as Members of the Working Group
>of AcoHum for "formal methods in the humanities" you should try
>and participate in the previously announced Bergen's Workshop:
>
>============================================================
>
>Name of the workshop: Formal methods in the humanities and their
> teaching.
>
>Goals: scientific definition of some of the problems raised by
> the formal methods in the humanities, by the speakers;
> discussion of the academic perspectives of the discipline,
> and the role of the working group.
>
>Number of speakers: 4-6
>
>Time requested: (ca.) 2 hours for the speakers; 1 hour for the
> discussion.
>
>Facilities required: ?
>
>============================================================
>
>Up to now, only Lou Burnard, Manfred Thaller, and myself have
>agreed to be speakers; and W. Daelemans has announced his
>participation but will not speak.
>
>Those interested PLEASE LET ME KNOW THEIR DECISION as soon as
>possible, and I shall send the final results to Bente Opheim
>on May, 22.
>
>Cordially, Tito
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Tito Orlandi orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
>CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
>P.zale Aldo Moro, 5 Fax 39+6.4991-3945
>00185 Roma http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Maddalena Toscano
Dpt Africa e Paesi Arabi - Istituto Universitario Orientale
P.zza San Domenico Maggiore - Palazzo Corigliano - 80134 Napoli - IT
tel. ++39-81-5517840; 5517901 fax: ++39-81-5515386
C.I.L.A. - Piazza Bovio, 22 - 80134 Napoli - I
++39-81-7605617/618; ++39-81-5521417 - fax: ++39-81-7605628; 5513084
home tel./fax: ++39-81-7764084 - e-mail: dsrapa@unina.it
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From: Jacques Souillot
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Status: RO
Dear colleague,
Maddalena Toscano asked me to submit a paper for the workshop. I am not
quite sure everybody would be interested in the subject the CAMEEL group is
coming with though. I'll let you take the decision.
At CRIM-INALCO we carried out a general survey on the teaching of African
languages in Europe (more particularly addressed to the CAMEEL partners) and
African languages research. The survey was carried out so as to have a
clear picture of the situation and enable the CAMEEL partners to assess the
feasability of the creation of a European Master's in Multilingual
Engineering (dedicated to African languages in its pilot phase), and
consequently to take the necessary measures to ensure its implementation as
soon as possible. Interesting data was collected which concern the
technologization of African departments and their NIT culture and expertise.
Also at CRIM we carried out a gigantic survey on the teaching of Japanese in
all European universities (a Pilot Project we were given by DG XXII).
Though the aims of that second survey were different from those of CAMEEL,
we gathered very interesting material which concern the level of
technologization of Japanese departments, plus information concerning the
level of computer literacy in Japanistics, plus, plus... The final report
on "Japanese curricula in Europe" will be available in September.
Tell me if you are interested in a paper which would deal with some aspects
of the work and results we produced. Yours friendly,
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>Dear Colleagues,
>
>I would like to remind you that as Members of the Working Group
>of AcoHum for "formal methods in the humanities" you should try
>and participate in the previously announced Bergen's Workshop:
>
>============================================================
>
>Name of the workshop: Formal methods in the humanities and their
> teaching.
>
>Goals: scientific definition of some of the problems raised by
> the formal methods in the humanities, by the speakers;
> discussion of the academic perspectives of the discipline,
> and the role of the working group.
>
>Number of speakers: 4-6
>
>Time requested: (ca.) 2 hours for the speakers; 1 hour for the
> discussion.
>
>Facilities required: ?
>
>============================================================
>
>Up to now, only Lou Burnard, Manfred Thaller, and myself have
>agreed to be speakers; and W. Daelemans has announced his
>participation but will not speak.
>
>Those interested PLEASE LET ME KNOW THEIR DECISION as soon as
>possible, and I shall send the final results to Bente Opheim
>on May, 22.
>
>Cordially, Tito
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Tito Orlandi orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
>CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
>P.zale Aldo Moro, 5 Fax 39+6.4991-3945
>00185 Roma http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
CRIM/INALCO
2 rue de Lille
F-75343 PARIS cedex 07
From France:
Tel.: 01 49 26 42 13
Fax.: 01 49 26 42 99
From abroad:
Tel.: ++ 33 1 49 26 42 13
Fax.: ++ 33 1 49 26 42 99
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From orlandi Fri May 22 13:14:56 1998
Subject: Workshop on "Formal Methods" in Bergen
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This is the official request to have in Bergen a workshop
organized by the Working Group "Formal Methods in the
Humanities"
>>> Bente please take note as Project Administrator <<<
Cordially, Tito Orlandi
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Name of the workshop: Formal methods in the humanities and their
teaching.
Goals: scientific definition of some of the problems raised by
the formal methods in the humanities, by the speakers;
discussion of the academic perspectives of the discipline,
and the role of the working group.
Speakers: L. Burnard, T. Orlandi, H. Short, J. Souillot,
M. Thaller. [Titles will be communicated later]
Time requested: (ca.) 2 hours for the speakers; 1 hour for the
discussion.
Facilities required: Nothing special
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From: Joakim Nivre
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Dear Tito,
As previously announced, I intend to participate
in the workshop but I have no paper to contribute.
Best regards,
Joakim Nivre
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On Sat, 23 May 1998 orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it wrote:
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> > As previously announced, I intend to participate
> > in the workshop but I have no paper to contribute.
> >
>
> Thank you; I had taken note, but as such I did not
> mention it in the official communication. Or shall I?
No need. I just wanted to make sure, since you mentioned
Walter who is also participating without a paper. No problem.
Best regards,
Joakim
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Dear Tito Orlandi and other members of working group on methods,
Thank you for submitting a proposal for workshop at the conference. The
program committee has already begun its work, and you will hear from us
within the next weeks.
Best regards,
Bente Opheim
Conference Coordinator
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From orlandi Tue Sep 1 09:25:36 1998
Subject: bergen workshop
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE PARTICIPANTS
in the Workshop: "Formal Methods in the Humanities and
their Teaching", Bergen, 28 September 1998.
======================================================
Preliminary note:
This Memorandum is specially targeted for the participants in
the Workshop mentioned in the title, and is diffused through the
e-list "formhum" and the web page of the Aco-Hum working group
"Formal Methods in the Humanities" (http://www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/fm)
-- but all interested colleagues are invited to send comments,
or to state their special interest in some of the items,
USING THIS e-list.
======================================================
Explanation:
The Bergen Workshop is the beginning of the official activity of
the working group "Formal Methods in the Humanities", formed
after a proposal of Dino Buzzetti, which was discussed in Granada
[cf. the web page www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/Steering3.html -- see:
New Working Groups]. In that occasion some basic ideas were
presented and discussed, and it was agreed that I (Tito Orlandi,
the author of this memorandum) should be responsible to organize
the activity of the group alongside those ideas.
Therefore I submit a list of items for discussion, trying
to enucleate the principal problems which transversely cross
the different fields of humanities computing, in order
to organize the future activity. The list and its content
will be discussed and formally established in Bergen [so
please be concretely prepared for the discussion] and also
plans will be done for one 1999 meeting, possibly in Rome.
======================================================
List of items for discussion:
* Existence and qualification of a common methodology
for all humanities computing applications; its relation
with the principles governing the formalization of problems,
and with technological devices.
* Common pedagogical aspects: how to educate operators
in the field of humanities computing, and how to educate
teachers of such operators; how to give basic computing
information to non-computer oriented humanities teachers.
* How to minimize the loss of information due to change
in technology and also to the disparition of internet
sites.
* How to establish correct relations with technology
specialists (ingenieurs etc.) without devolving to them
basic research and teaching in computing for the humanities.
* How to teach the correct and necessary use of e-mail,
listservers, (personal) web pages, etc. in the schorlarly
community.
* How to introduce the evaluation of electronic products
as scientific achievements, scholarly work, etc.
* How to organize repositories of electronic data produced
by single researchers and probably destined to disparition,
and to educate people to mutually share their products.
======================================================
1 September 1998 Tito Orlandi
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE PARTICIPANTS
in the Workshop: "Formal Methods in the Humanities and
their Teaching", Bergen, 28 September 1998.
======================================================
Preliminary note:
This Memorandum is specially targeted for the participants in
the Workshop mentioned in the title, and is diffused through the
e-list "formhum" and the web page of the Aco-Hum working group
"Formal Methods in the Humanities" (http://www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/fm)
-- but all interested colleagues are invited to send comments,
or to state their special interest in some of the items,
USING THIS e-list.
======================================================
Explanation:
The Bergen Workshop is the beginning of the official activity of
the working group "Formal Methods in the Humanities", formed
after a proposal of Dino Buzzetti, which was discussed in Granada
[cf. the web page www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/Steering3.html -- see:
New Working Groups]. In that occasion some basic ideas were
presented and discussed, and it was agreed that I (Tito Orlandi,
the author of this memorandum) should be responsible to organize
the activity of the group alongside those ideas.
Therefore I submit a list of items for discussion, trying
to enucleate the principal problems which transversely cross
the different fields of humanities computing, in order
to organize the future activity. The list and its content
will be discussed and formally established in Bergen [so
please be concretely prepared for the discussion] and also
plans will be done for one 1999 meeting, possibly in Rome.
======================================================
List of items for discussion:
* Existence and qualification of a common methodology
for all humanities computing applications; its relation
with the principles governing the formalization of problems,
and with technological devices.
* Common pedagogical aspects: how to educate operators
in the field of humanities computing, and how to educate
teachers of such operators; how to give basic computing
information to non-computer oriented humanities teachers.
* How to minimize the loss of information due to change
in technology and also to the disparition of internet
sites.
* How to establish correct relations with technology
specialists (ingenieurs etc.) without devolving to them
basic research and teaching in computing for the humanities.
* How to teach the correct and necessary use of e-mail,
listservers, (personal) web pages, etc. in the schorlarly
community.
* How to introduce the evaluation of electronic products
as scientific achievements, scholarly work, etc.
* How to organize repositories of electronic data produced
by single researchers and probably destined to disparition,
and to educate people to mutually share their products.
======================================================
1 September 1998 Tito Orlandi
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From: Joakim Nivre
To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
Subject: Re: FORMHUM: bergen workshop
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Dear Tito,
I hope you got my message saying that, unfortunately,
I will not be able to participate in the workshop,
although I will be in Bergen Friday-Sunday. I am
really sorry for this, and I am willing to give my
place in the working group to someone who can
participate, if you think this would be appropriate.
Regards,
Joakim
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From orlandi Thu Sep 3 12:09:30 1998
Subject: Re: FORMHUM: bergen workshop (fwd)
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The following message was sent personally to me, but
I think that it is better to keep the list informed:
Forwarded message:
> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:57:20 +0200
> From: "Ingo H. Kropac"
> Reply-To: ingo.kropac@kfunigraz.ac.at
> Organization: FHG Graz
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> To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
> Subject: Re: FORMHUM: bergen workshop
>
> Dear Prof. Orlandi,
>
> thank you for your mail and your very interesting proposals. I am quite
> sure to be able to contribute to some of the items you listed, basing on
> the experience of more than 10 years teaching "Historical Informatics"
> at Graz university.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you in Bergen and too meeting your workshop,
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Ingo H. Kropac
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ ao.Univ.-Prof. Dr. Ingo H. Kropac
> _/ _/ _/ _/ A-8010 Graz, Elisabethstrasse 27
> _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ Tel: +43 316 380 - 2642
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Fax: +43 316 380 - 9275
> _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ E-Mail: ingo.kropac@kfunigraz.ac.at
>
> Forschungsinstitut fuer Historische Grundwissenschaften
> Karl-Franzens-Universitaet Graz, Austria
> _______________________________________________________________________
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Dear Prof. Orlandi,
thank you for your mail and your very interesting proposals. I am quite
sure to be able to contribute to some of the items you listed, basing on
the experience of more than 10 years teaching "Historical Informatics"
at Graz university.
Looking forward to seeing you in Bergen and too meeting your workshop,
Sincerely yours,
Ingo H. Kropac
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First of all I want to thank all the participants in the
workshop of Bergen for the fruitful discussion. As we
agreed, I shall soon circulate proposals for the next
meeting.
Second, I remind Joseph Bell of his commitment to produce
the minutes of the discussion. When do you plan to have
them ready, and circulate in "formhum"?
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At 11:07 14/10/98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>First of all I want to thank all the participants in the
>workshop of Bergen for the fruitful discussion. As we
>agreed, I shall soon circulate proposals for the next
>meeting.
>
>Second, I remind Joseph Bell of his commitment to produce
>the minutes of the discussion. When do you plan to have
>them ready, and circulate in "formhum"?
>
>Grazie, e arrivederci a tutti
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Dear Tito,
Everything is working well. I really enjoyed the workshop very much, and I
hope my contribution did not disturb your plans too much.
My paper was sent to Joseph on my coming back to Paris, so there is nothing
to worry about.
For next year's meeting it was suggested that the workshop could take place
in Paris (INALCO). Monique Slodzian the Head of CRIM (Centre de Recherche
en Ingenierie en Multilingue) is quite enthusiastic about it, so she
contacted the President of INALCO who thought it was a very interesting
proposal. It is now up to the group to confirm.
Merci et a bientot,
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
CRIM/INALCO
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At 11:07 14/10/98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>First of all I want to thank all the participants in the
>workshop of Bergen for the fruitful discussion. As we
>agreed, I shall soon circulate proposals for the next
>meeting.
>
>Second, I remind Joseph Bell of his commitment to produce
>the minutes of the discussion. When do you plan to have
>them ready, and circulate in "formhum"?
>
>Grazie, e arrivederci a tutti
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Dear Tito,
Everything is working well. I really enjoyed the workshop very much, and I
hope my contribution did not disturb your plans too much.
My paper was sent to Joseph on my coming back to Paris, so there is nothing
to worry about.
For next year's meeting it was suggested that the workshop could take place
in Paris (INALCO). Monique Slodzian the Head of CRIM (Centre de Recherche
en Ingenierie en Multilingue) is quite enthusiastic about it, so she
contacted the President of INALCO who thought it was a very interesting
proposal. It is now up to the group to confirm.
Merci et a bientot,
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
CRIM/INALCO
2 rue de Lille
F-75343 PARIS cedex 07
>From France:
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Fax.: 01 49 26 42 99
>From abroad:
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Fax.: ++ 33 1 49 26 42 99
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Dear Tito
You may have noticed me taking notes during our recent meeting, and I
have been intending ever since to turn them into a brief
report. However, all that I have been able so far to do is to turn
them into something like comprehensible English (i.e. I've removed
most of the typos!). I'd still like to make them into a proper report,
but realism suggests that this is unlikely in the foreseeable
future. Since I don't have Joe's email address handy, I'm sending them
to you now, in the hope that you'll forward them to him, or distribute
more widely if you think that better. Feel free to act as you see fit
(including ignore them completely)
best wishes and thanks for orchestrating a very interesting discussion
Lou
ACOHUM Workshop 1: Formal Methods
About 12 people, chaired by Tito Orlandi
What the scholar needs is not just to find tools, but to describe the
problem so that an appropriate automatic procedure can be found. maths is
used as formal lang in nat sci; is there no equiv in hums?
How to transform humanists problem-defn lang into a formal lang: cf
Gardin's work.
some dont agree: which kinds of problems can be formalised?
need to retain tradition: e.g. statistical stylisticians ignore
everything done before
egs of bad formalism: concordance, statistics inappropriately applied
formalise in a good way (=acceptable)
--
me: encoding and hermeneutics are what distinguish the humanistic
approach etc etc
--
harold: this wk group was set up by achohum board as service to oher
cttees: other wkgrps concerns with metholodgy shd be centered here.
There's been v little wk on formal methods, but there is some. must
get somehing achieved in next 12 months for project, so cant dev new
theory tho might contribute.
practical problems: applicn of tools in ignorance of the underlying
formalism. inappropruate use of comp techniques. lack of formal
documentn, so lack of continuity. formal descripns needed at analysis,
at encoding/implemtn stages. on which formal methods are the
descripns based?
textual scholars 10 yrs ago: variety of tools, methods. no formal
method underlying their activities -> tei.
it's becoming impossible to be a linguist without being a computnl
linguist; kenny foresaw a day when every humanities scholars wd have to
have formal stats as part of their job.
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Jacques Souillot presented some results of the Erasmus CAMEEL project:
surveyed degree of knowledge expertise etc in univs doing non-euro
(africanist and japanistics) lang and lits, with predictably
depressing results. working towards european masters in multilingual
engineering.
Manfred: gardin. first HC conf ever held in 62; gardin has been in
field since then. was archaelogist sorting artefacts. key sentence in
later work: prodn of results is not what hc is about, but rather to
find models of thinking, long careers usually lead to stronger
interest in methodology. At two periods HC was reshuffled completely:
mid80s - formal methods in history developed; then came pc. usage
expanded inversely with methodological focus. last 5 yrs, same
process. methodology is what remains if technology develops further.
MT's 87 paper on potential for fuzzy sets cd be reprinted in 96
because method still not applied. what we shdnt do: - do the same as
me because i am well funded: - assume that other disciplines will do
work for us (compsci dont have something to learn) Start from
intellectual issues; dont assume compsci will work procedural
questions. Need forum for discussn of methodology independent of
applications
Only one discipline has been successful: linguistics. First 20 yrs, no
practical results: history of total failure, broken promises, but
strong formalism developed; now suddenly very successful. Long
discussion of formal issues can be fruitful.
Putting things on web isnt going to work. web pages dont form part of
a cv.
List - dont believe in common humanities. individual disciplines may
have something in common
- pedagogic aspects: problem is that HC depts are too much results
oriented. training on purely practical basis (e.g. hc in US) becomes
self-defeating
- loss/disparition: infrastructure need : data archives, not a
question of methodology
- technology specialists: dont just hire them, either aim at joint
degrees, or train them in humanities.
- teaching correct use of comms: this is not methodology
- evaluation: hc has an underdog feeling; humanities take us more
seriously if we talk their lang
- organize repositories: use classic orgs, dont create niche orgs like
data archives of 70s
Dino: there are diff points of view.
acohum context: emphasis on teaching on learning is right, but for
us, it's necessary that this be a discipline before we can teach
it. we need to wear two hats. wg shd issue recommendns for political
reasons
humanist methods: kenny prediction, fuzzy sets etc. humanities methods
are too complex. using digital data is already formal. CS dont have as
sophisticated way of thinking as humanities. poet expresses emotion;
scholar analyses emotion.
Discussn
Man in a brown shirt (finn): what do we mean by formalization?
Lang, written or digital: info it contains is always the same. In
digital form, formal methods are more easily used. How do we get info
from digitized text. TEI formalizes something in lang, but at one
level, too roughly to be useful in computer analysis. every morpheme
and wordstem, minute level up to syntax, semantics. CL started by
formalizing from smallest part, having control. Once this is done, can
go on doing what you did before but with larger results.
Joe: total formalisn of text is about severe restrctn of
texts we can have. much lower level of standrdisn is necessary. we
are interested in searching for ideas and concepts across huge
amounts of text, not microanalysis. "reasonably correct and enormous"
is as good as "Watertight and controllable".
Kropac: we shd talk about abstraction. whatever text you have , info
is a result of processing not inherent in the text. Formalising a text
is adding knowledge to a text, e.g. of a specialist, so that it can
be read. the possibly might be, possibly
Me: hear hear; shakespear
man in brown shirt: we can do analysis of swahili automatically making
explicit what is implicit
tito: stop discssn now, it's getting too interesting. but if we go
aside, noone will understand us. someone must be able to teach these
issues to students. studts shd learn
me: reln to tradn skills
dino: critical digital edns as object of teaching, not as an
aid. documentn is essential
ingo: validated resources are needed; what pieces of methods are
common to the humanities
tito: can we leave it to the compscientists? there is something common
in hums. we change methods when we use computing in same way?
ingo: we must be more concrete.
me: do hum discs actually use computers in same way?
Joe: we need lots of minimally tagged texts and search tools, and
training for students. also research methods. some kind of conceptual
searching
harold: suggn -- only consider methods which (a) do old forms of
scholarship in new ways; or (b) new forms of scholarship. The tools
may be diffferent, but processes are similar -- forms of analysis,
modelling. how its done and how its described. Analysis must be
formal;ly described, so that it can be clear, and transmitted. Tools
and resources need to be described. This list as starting point.
manfred: you shd select a drafting cttee.
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Hello,
I have been away at two conferences/meetings and came back to a case of flu.
Please give me another two weeks, and Lou's notes, which he apparently
forgot to send to me. Thanks.
All the best.
Joseph Bell
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>Dear Joseph, I remind you the promise to circulate (or
>send to me) a draft of the report of the workshop "Formal
>Methods...". If I do not receive anything before, say,
>Nov. 15, I shall do that myself [also on the basis of the
>notes of Lou, kindly provided].
>
>Fatti vivo! Tito
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Dear Joseph, I remind you the promise to circulate (or
send to me) a draft of the report of the workshop "Formal
Methods...". If I do not receive anything before, say,
Nov. 15, I shall do that myself [also on the basis of the
notes of Lou, kindly provided].
Fatti vivo! Tito
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From orlandi Wed Jan 20 12:54:47 1999
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Dear Colleagues,
First, best whishes to all of us for a fruitful new year of
activity.
This is to announce that you will find in the web page:
http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi/bergrep.html
the draft of the report of Bergen's workshop on "Formal Methods
in the Humanities and their Teaching".
The speakers please send to me, or better to , any
corrections or additions they want to appear in the final,
official document [by the end of January].
The next step will be to organize the meeting in Paris: Souillot
please suggest a date in Spring -- for, say, 2 days of full
work? -- also in .
In the meantime we are invited to meditate the outline made
by the Working Group on Computational Linguistics (see:
www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/cl/cl-chapter.html) as a basis for our
own outline. I shall formulate a questionnaire (also of the
kind like that of Comp.Ling.) to be mailed to the members
of AcoHum.
Cordiali saluti,
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Status: RO
Dear Tito,
As I see it for the time being one of the most favorable period for the
meeting would be during the French university Easter holiday. Between April
26 and April 30 would be fine. May 1-2 could be considered if need be.
Tell me if this proposal can be transmitted to formhum. If you have a
specific option do not forget to mention it.
Yours friendly,
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
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Subject: the book, and Bergen's meeting
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Dear Colleagues,
you are probably aware that
> The greater part of our activities will be directed towards a
> significant publication according to our workplan:
> http://www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/renewal98/Part2.html#focus. If you look
> at the time plan for this publication, we must arrive at an agreement
> on a book and chapter structure by the end of this month. I propose
> we take the following draft structure as a starting point:
> http://www.hd.uib.no/AcoHum/handbook.html. Each working group has to
> appoint an editor for its own chapter. In the course of this month, I
> hope to either meet or phone these editors to discuss the proposal and
> to look at outlines for each chapter. [de Smedt]
and that
> I would like to organize a local contact meeting of ACO*HUM working
> group responsibles in the very near future. The aim is to coordinate
> the activities for the current year. The meeting is in principle local
> here in Bergen and the following persons are invited:
>
> History: Jan Oldervoll
> Non-European Lang.: Joseph Bell
> Textual Scholarship: Espen Ore
> Formal methods: Manfred Thaller (or if not possible, Joseph Bell)
> Comp. Ling.: Koenraad de Smedt
>
> I assume that these persons are either in charge of coordination of the
> chapter to be written by their working group, or they are in good
> contact with the chapter coordinator. PLEASE BRING A DETAILED CHAPTER
> OUTLINE TO THE MEETING. [de Smedt]
Of course our workgroup is more recently constituted than the
others, and its subject is much more elusive and debatable;
nevertheless I think we can try and prepare one of the chapters
of the book.
In order to be helpful in this phase of the organization, I would
propose:
1) that the workgroup's Members appoint myself as the editor
of the chapter on: European Studies in Formal Methods in the
Humanities. That would mean that I shall gather and arrange your
opinions in the shape of a chapter, and I shall present it at
our Paris meeting, to be approved. [The calendar of the meeting
will be defined in the next days.]
2) That I circulate a "questionnaire" among the members of
AcoHum at large, to get information of what we are doing in
the field of humanities computing general methodology. The
answers will also be printed (and eventually discussed) in the
chapter.
3) That Thaller or Bell present the following detailed chapter
outline to Bergen's meeting of Early February:
Chap. 6: European Studies in Formal Methods in the Humanities.
6.1 Identifying the Field of Humanities Computing Methodology
Computing as a theoretical discipline. - Computability
in the Humanities. - Computation and Formalization. -
Formalization in the Humanities.
6.2 Interactions between Technologies and Methodology
in Teaching and Learning Humanities
Hardware and Software for processing texts. - Hardware
and Software for processing images. - Hardware and
Software for processing sounds. - Multimedia and the
dissemination of information in the Humanities.
6.3 Overview of Institutions offering Curricula and Courses
in Humanities Computing
6.4 Conclusion and General Recommandations
Thaller and Bell are receiving this message; you all can send
remarks to , which they will receive, too. There will be
time later for refinements.
Please, participate actively! Cordiali saluti,
Tito Orlandi
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Dear Prof. Orlandi,
I have stepped out of the ACO*HUM computational linguistics and
language technology working group, and on that occasion
realised that not me but Bill Black was the official representative
in your group.
For reasons of time, I would like to withdraw completely from ACO*HUM,
so please remove me from your mail alias.
I enjoyed reading about the activities of the group, and wish
you all the best with the coordination of the book chapter
(which I will read with pleasure when it is ready).
Best wishes,
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Subject: FORMHUM: Book chapter & Paris meeting
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Dear Colleagues,
After my message of {30 Jan, 12:25} much discussion was
carried on, both in personal e-mails and in the Bergen
meeting of 2 Feb, from which I shall try to extract the
main points concerning our Working Group (hereafter WG).
0. Practical recommendation.
All members of the WG are (again) invited to use the list
[this list!] for any communication referring in
any way to the activities of the WG, and to become more
aware of the technical rules governing such lists,
especially concerning the change of address, how to retire,
and the identification of senders. I shall not take into
consideration for the WG activities messages outside
(unless they come directly from the AcoHum
"officials", of course).
You will find the archive of , with the main pieces
of correspondence, at:
http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi/formhum.html
The formal aspect will be improved in future.
[[Koenraad, you might put also the link in the WG page...]]
The following message refers especially:
to my previous messages of {20 Jan, 12:54} and {30 Jan 12:25};
to the communications received from: Nivre {31 Jan, 11:59}
Thaller {2 Feb, 16:55} De Smedt {3 Feb, 18:33};
and to the results of the Bergen meeting.
1. Paris meeting.
Should be arranged for the second half of the week 19-25
Apr. -- In the first half there will be another AcoHum
meeting, also in Paris, so it will be possible to
participate in both.
>>> I would suggest that our WG meeting begins late in the
morning of Friday 23 (arrival with early morning flights),
and goes on Saturday as long as it is necessary. If
participants have sent their contribution to
beforehand, I do not envisage that discussion needs more
time. Also, people assisting to both meetings, and wanting
to leave on Saturday, well, they will miss just a part of
this meeting. On the other hand, you will understand that
late April is still full of academic work...
The meeting will be aimed at preparing a first version, not
yet definitive, but complete, of the book's chapter.
Contributors (that is, all the members of our WG) will first
send the drafts of their parts to ; the
participants will approve the contributions and indicate to
the editor how to arrange the chapter. The editor will send
the chapter to AcoHum soon after the meeting.
2. The Chapter
From explicit approvals and from silences I understand that
my offer to be the editor was accepted. Also accepted was
the outline proposed to the Bergen meeting:
Chap. 6: European Studies in Formal Methods in the Humanities.
6.1 Identifying the Field of Humanities Computing Methodology
Computing as a theoretical discipline. - Computability
in the Humanities. - Computation and Formalization. -
Formalization in the Humanities.
6.2 Interactions between Technologies and Methodology
in Teaching and Learning Humanities
Hardware and Software for processing texts. - Hardware
and Software for processing images. - Hardware and
Software for processing sounds. - Multimedia and the
dissemination of information in the Humanities.
6.3 Overview of Institutions offering Curricula and Courses
in Humanities Computing
6.4 Conclusion and General Recommandations
Every interested member is invited to choose one or more parts
to write, stating it in . Remember that authors are
expected to deal with "computing in curricula, teaching and
learning methods, resources, tools and infrastructure"
(Bergen Meeting), i.e. for each specific subject. The
contributions should be sent to at the beginning
of April, so it will be possible for others to send remarks
and additions. I myself shall try to fill the gaps -- for
what I can.
3. The questionnaire
This item, as was noticed, overlaps with the other WGs. In
fact, our WG should try and state which academic
institutions deal with "Humanities Computing" in general,
and not only with more or less specific applications.
Here I need more input, and I need it soon, if the
questionnaire is to circulate, say, in the middle of March.
Koenraad? Manfred? Lou? Harold?
The result would fill point 6.3 of the chapter.
4. In sum (what you should do).
- Announce your participation in the Paris meeting
- Announce your contribution for some part of the Chapter
- Send revisions etc. for the report of the workshop at the
Bergen conference (nobody did!!)
- Send whatever observations you deem useful to our common
goal
As Koenraad will remind you, time is running.
Your humble servant, Tito
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CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
P.zale Aldo Moro, 5 Fax 39+6.4991-3945
00185 Roma http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi
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From orlandi Sat Feb 13 08:13:47 1999
Subject: Book chapter & Paris meeting
To: formhum@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:13:47 +0000 (GMT)
Cc: desmedt@ht.uib.no
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Having received NO reactions so far, I send again the
following message, just in case...
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:33:53 +0000 (GMT)
Cc: desmedt@hf.uib.no
Sender: owner-formhum@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
Dear Colleagues,
After my message of {30 Jan, 12:25} much discussion was
carried on, both in personal e-mails and in the Bergen
meeting of 2 Feb, from which I shall try to extract the
main points concerning our Working Group (hereafter WG).
0. Practical recommendation.
All members of the WG are (again) invited to use the list
[this list!] for any communication referring in
any way to the activities of the WG, and to become more
aware of the technical rules governing such lists,
especially concerning the change of address, how to retire,
and the identification of senders. I shall not take into
consideration for the WG activities messages outside
(unless they come directly from the AcoHum
"officials", of course).
You will find the archive of , with the main pieces
of correspondence, at:
http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi/formhum.html
The formal aspect will be improved in future.
[[Koenraad, you might put also the link in the WG page...]]
The following message refers especially:
to my previous messages of {20 Jan, 12:54} and {30 Jan 12:25};
to the communications received from: Nivre {31 Jan, 11:59}
Thaller {2 Feb, 16:55} De Smedt {3 Feb, 18:33};
and to the results of the Bergen meeting.
1. Paris meeting.
Should be arranged for the second half of the week 19-25
Apr. -- In the first half there will be another AcoHum
meeting, also in Paris, so it will be possible to
participate in both.
>>> I would suggest that our WG meeting begins late in the
morning of Friday 23 (arrival with early morning flights),
and goes on Saturday as long as it is necessary. If
participants have sent their contribution to
beforehand, I do not envisage that discussion needs more
time. Also, people assisting to both meetings, and wanting
to leave on Saturday, well, they will miss just a part of
this meeting. On the other hand, you will understand that
late April is still full of academic work...
The meeting will be aimed at preparing a first version, not
yet definitive, but complete, of the book's chapter.
Contributors (that is, all the members of our WG) will first
send the drafts of their parts to ; the
participants will approve the contributions and indicate to
the editor how to arrange the chapter. The editor will send
the chapter to AcoHum soon after the meeting.
2. The Chapter
>From explicit approvals and from silences I understand that
my offer to be the editor was accepted. Also accepted was
the outline proposed to the Bergen meeting:
Chap. 6: European Studies in Formal Methods in the Humanities.
6.1 Identifying the Field of Humanities Computing Methodology
Computing as a theoretical discipline. - Computability
in the Humanities. - Computation and Formalization. -
Formalization in the Humanities.
6.2 Interactions between Technologies and Methodology
in Teaching and Learning Humanities
Hardware and Software for processing texts. - Hardware
and Software for processing images. - Hardware and
Software for processing sounds. - Multimedia and the
dissemination of information in the Humanities.
6.3 Overview of Institutions offering Curricula and Courses
in Humanities Computing
6.4 Conclusion and General Recommandations
Every interested member is invited to choose one or more parts
to write, stating it in . Remember that authors are
expected to deal with "computing in curricula, teaching and
learning methods, resources, tools and infrastructure"
(Bergen Meeting), i.e. for each specific subject. The
contributions should be sent to at the beginning
of April, so it will be possible for others to send remarks
and additions. I myself shall try to fill the gaps -- for
what I can.
3. The questionnaire
This item, as was noticed, overlaps with the other WGs. In
fact, our WG should try and state which academic
institutions deal with "Humanities Computing" in general,
and not only with more or less specific applications.
Here I need more input, and I need it soon, if the
questionnaire is to circulate, say, in the middle of March.
Koenraad? Manfred? Lou? Harold?
The result would fill point 6.3 of the chapter.
4. In sum (what you should do).
- Announce your participation in the Paris meeting
- Announce your contribution for some part of the Chapter
- Send revisions etc. for the report of the workshop at the
Bergen conference (nobody did!!)
- Send whatever observations you deem useful to our common
goal
As Koenraad will remind you, time is running.
Your humble servant, Tito
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CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
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From: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
Subject: FORMHUM: Book chapter & Paris meeting
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:33:53 +0000 (GMT)
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Sender: owner-formhum@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
Dear Colleagues,
After my message of {30 Jan, 12:25} much discussion was
carried on, both in personal e-mails and in the Bergen
meeting of 2 Feb, from which I shall try to extract the
main points concerning our Working Group (hereafter WG).
0. Practical recommendation.
All members of the WG are (again) invited to use the list
[this list!] for any communication referring in
any way to the activities of the WG, and to become more
aware of the technical rules governing such lists,
especially concerning the change of address, how to retire,
and the identification of senders. I shall not take into
consideration for the WG activities messages outside
(unless they come directly from the AcoHum
"officials", of course).
You will find the archive of , with the main pieces
of correspondence, at:
http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi/formhum.html
The formal aspect will be improved in future.
[[Koenraad, you might put also the link in the WG page...]]
The following message refers especially:
to my previous messages of {20 Jan, 12:54} and {30 Jan 12:25};
to the communications received from: Nivre {31 Jan, 11:59}
Thaller {2 Feb, 16:55} De Smedt {3 Feb, 18:33};
and to the results of the Bergen meeting.
1. Paris meeting.
Should be arranged for the second half of the week 19-25
Apr. -- In the first half there will be another AcoHum
meeting, also in Paris, so it will be possible to
participate in both.
>>> I would suggest that our WG meeting begins late in the
morning of Friday 23 (arrival with early morning flights),
and goes on Saturday as long as it is necessary. If
participants have sent their contribution to
beforehand, I do not envisage that discussion needs more
time. Also, people assisting to both meetings, and wanting
to leave on Saturday, well, they will miss just a part of
this meeting. On the other hand, you will understand that
late April is still full of academic work...
The meeting will be aimed at preparing a first version, not
yet definitive, but complete, of the book's chapter.
Contributors (that is, all the members of our WG) will first
send the drafts of their parts to ; the
participants will approve the contributions and indicate to
the editor how to arrange the chapter. The editor will send
the chapter to AcoHum soon after the meeting.
2. The Chapter
From explicit approvals and from silences I understand that
my offer to be the editor was accepted. Also accepted was
the outline proposed to the Bergen meeting:
Chap. 6: European Studies in Formal Methods in the Humanities.
6.1 Identifying the Field of Humanities Computing Methodology
Computing as a theoretical discipline. - Computability
in the Humanities. - Computation and Formalization. -
Formalization in the Humanities.
6.2 Interactions between Technologies and Methodology
in Teaching and Learning Humanities
Hardware and Software for processing texts. - Hardware
and Software for processing images. - Hardware and
Software for processing sounds. - Multimedia and the
dissemination of information in the Humanities.
6.3 Overview of Institutions offering Curricula and Courses
in Humanities Computing
6.4 Conclusion and General Recommandations
Every interested member is invited to choose one or more parts
to write, stating it in . Remember that authors are
expected to deal with "computing in curricula, teaching and
learning methods, resources, tools and infrastructure"
(Bergen Meeting), i.e. for each specific subject. The
contributions should be sent to at the beginning
of April, so it will be possible for others to send remarks
and additions. I myself shall try to fill the gaps -- for
what I can.
3. The questionnaire
This item, as was noticed, overlaps with the other WGs. In
fact, our WG should try and state which academic
institutions deal with "Humanities Computing" in general,
and not only with more or less specific applications.
Here I need more input, and I need it soon, if the
questionnaire is to circulate, say, in the middle of March.
Koenraad? Manfred? Lou? Harold?
The result would fill point 6.3 of the chapter.
4. In sum (what you should do).
- Announce your participation in the Paris meeting
- Announce your contribution for some part of the Chapter
- Send revisions etc. for the report of the workshop at the
Bergen conference (nobody did!!)
- Send whatever observations you deem useful to our common
goal
As Koenraad will remind you, time is running.
Your humble servant, Tito
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CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
P.zale Aldo Moro, 5 Fax 39+6.4991-3945
00185 Roma http://rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it/~orlandi
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From orlandi Tue Feb 16 10:23:57 1999
Subject: Re: FORMHUM: Book chapter & Paris meeting (fwd)
To: formhum@cisadu2.let.uniroma1.it
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Lou wrote:
> |morning of Friday 23 (arrival with early morning flights),
> |and goes on Saturday as long as it is necessary. If
>
> I am very sorry to report that I cannot attend a meeting on that date,
> as I have a previous engagement in Oxford which cannot be avoided.
>
Jacques, what about the days BEFORE the other meeting?
Tito
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CISADU - Fac. di Lettere Tel. 39+6.4991-3936
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From: Lou Burnard
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On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it wrote:
|>>> I would suggest that our WG meeting begins late in the
|morning of Friday 23 (arrival with early morning flights),
|and goes on Saturday as long as it is necessary. If
|participants have sent their contribution to
|beforehand, I do not envisage that discussion needs more
|time. Also, people assisting to both meetings, and wanting
|to leave on Saturday, well, they will miss just a part of
|this meeting. On the other hand, you will understand that
|late April is still full of academic work...
I am very sorry to report that I cannot attend a meeting on that date,
as I have a previous engagement in Oxford which cannot be avoided.
L
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At 08:13 13/02/99 +0000, you wrote:
> I would suggest that our WG meeting begins late in the
>morning of Friday 23 (arrival with early morning flights),
>and goes on Saturday as long as it is necessary. If
Unfortunately I have another engagement (in Oxford) on the 23rd April,
which I cannot miss. I have to be at a conference in Granada,Spain,
starting on 27th, so I could perhaps attend a meeting on the 24-5th.
(Before the 23rd is even worse!)
I will be happy to contribute my thoughts on material for the book, though
I don't know how much time I will have to draft new things.
apologetically
Lou
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From orlandi Tue Feb 16 10:45:47 1999
Subject: Re: FORMHUM: Book chapter & Paris meeting (fwd)
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I desperately beg colleagues to send messages to FORMHUM !! - Tito
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> Dear Tito,
> Lou's answer reminded me, that I have not so far replied.
> The proposed dates are fine with me; if you think moving the meeting
> towards the earlier parts of April: I have an absolutel unmovable
> meeting in germany April 12th / 14th, so I could net be in Paris before
> afternoon of the 15th.
> Thanks, manfred
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Dear Tito,
Lou's answer reminded me, that I have not so far replied.
The proposed dates are fine with me; if you think moving the meeting
towards the earlier parts of April: I have an absolutel unmovable
meeting in germany April 12th / 14th, so I could net be in Paris before
afternoon of the 15th.
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Hello,
I seem to be on this list by mistake.
I think the representative of ACO*HUM computational linguistics
is Bill Black.
Please remove me from your list.
Many thanks, best regards,
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My apologies again -- but I have a prior engagement on 16/17 April as
well... So I think the best course would be for you to go ahead with
the meeting on the 23rd, as planned. I will be happy to contribute
what I can electronically!
best wishes
virtually lou
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Jacques Souillot wrote:
|Dear friends,
|
|The dates for our FormHum meeting appeared to be:
|arrivals: before friday 23rd April +/- 10.00 h
|end of the meeting: "late" in the afternoon of saturday 24th April.
|
|Only Lou seemed to have problems with those dates. Would it be desirable to
|move the meeting to friday 16th April and saturday 17th April? (I could
|shorten my stay in Berlin).
|
|Best regards,
|
|
|
|Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
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|CRIM/INALCO
|2 rue de Lille
|F-75343 PARIS cedex 07
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|>From France:
|Tel.: 01 49 26 42 13
|Fax.: 01 49 26 42 99
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|>From abroad:
|Tel.: ++ 33 1 49 26 42 13
|Fax.: ++ 33 1 49 26 42 99
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Dear friends,
The dates for our FormHum meeting appeared to be:
arrivals: before friday 23rd April +/- 10.00 h
end of the meeting: "late" in the afternoon of saturday 24th April.
Only Lou seemed to have problems with those dates. Would it be desirable to
move the meeting to friday 16th April and saturday 17th April? (I could
shorten my stay in Berlin).
Best regards,
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
CRIM/INALCO
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From France:
Tel.: 01 49 26 42 13
Fax.: 01 49 26 42 99
From abroad:
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I think I can handle most dates in the latter part of April as long as the
NEL and FORHUM meetings are more or less back to back.
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I desperately beg colleagues to send messages to FORMHUM !! - Tito
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> Dear Tito,
> Lou's answer reminded me, that I have not so far replied.
> The proposed dates are fine with me; if you think moving the meeting
> towards the earlier parts of April: I have an absolutel unmovable
> meeting in germany April 12th / 14th, so I could net be in Paris before
> afternoon of the 15th.
> Thanks, manfred
>
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Sorry, I thought in that case you were just co-ordinating things. That
is the last one going to you personally,
apologetically, Manfred
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Hopefully to reduce, not increase problems, let me confirm again that
24th/25th (or indeed anything within 22nd - 26th) is fine with me.
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Dear Tito and all,
Sorry for not responding sooner, but I have been trying
to sort out whether I can come to Paris or not. As it turns out,
I will be able to participate 23-24 April. The week before
(that someone mentioned) is barely possible but less convenient.
I am a bit puzzled, though, about what we are supposed to
volunteer to contribute. I quote:
> 2. The Chapter
>
> >From explicit approvals and from silences I understand that
> my offer to be the editor was accepted. Also accepted was
> the outline proposed to the Bergen meeting:
>
> Chap. 6: European Studies in Formal Methods in the Humanities.
>
> 6.1 Identifying the Field of Humanities Computing Methodology
> Computing as a theoretical discipline. - Computability
> in the Humanities. - Computation and Formalization. -
> Formalization in the Humanities.
> 6.2 Interactions between Technologies and Methodology
> in Teaching and Learning Humanities
> Hardware and Software for processing texts. - Hardware
> and Software for processing images. - Hardware and
> Software for processing sounds. - Multimedia and the
> dissemination of information in the Humanities.
> 6.3 Overview of Institutions offering Curricula and Courses
> in Humanities Computing
> 6.4 Conclusion and General Recommandations
>
> Every interested member is invited to choose one or more parts
> to write, stating it in . Remember that authors are
> expected to deal with "computing in curricula, teaching and
> learning methods, resources, tools and infrastructure"
> (Bergen Meeting), i.e. for each specific subject.
If we are supposed to grab a whole section and cover
the whole field of humanities, I don't think I can do it.
On the other hand, if we are supposed -- as is hinted in
the last sentence -- to describe "computing in curricula,
teaching and learning methods, resources, tools and
infrastructure" within our own specific subject (in
my case linguistics), I would be happy to put together
something.
I feel a little in the dark, since I have not been able
to participate in any of the meetings lately and would
appreciate a little enlightenment. :-)
Best regards,
Joakim Nivre
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At 10:28 18.02.99 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear Tito and all,
>
>Sorry for not responding sooner, but I have been trying
>to sort out whether I can come to Paris or not. As it turns out,
>I will be able to participate 23-24 April.
This could conflict with NEL. I quote from Maddalena's e-mail:
Dear Jacques, according to what decided in our previous meetings the NEL
meeting should be be in Th. 22- Sund.25 April, travelling dates included.
This means:
- work on Fr. 23 and Sat. 24
- be back home on Sunday 25
- get a cheaper ticket
In principle, I agree to have the meeting on Mon. 19- Tu. 20, provided that
I don't have to be in Paris on Sat. 17 and start working on Mon. 19.
Greetings. Maddalena
The week before
>(that someone mentioned) is barely possible but less convenient.
>
>Best regards,
>Joakim Nivre
>
>
More best regards,
Joseph
Joseph N. Bell
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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Joseph Norment Bell wrote:
> This could conflict with NEL. I quote from Maddalena's e-mail:
>
> Dear Jacques, according to what decided in our previous meetings the NEL
> meeting should be be in Th. 22- Sund.25 April, travelling dates included.
> This means:
> - work on Fr. 23 and Sat. 24
> - be back home on Sunday 25
> - get a cheaper ticket
>
> In principle, I agree to have the meeting on Mon. 19- Tu. 20, provided that
> I don't have to be in Paris on Sat. 17 and start working on Mon. 19.
19-20 is probably impossible for me.
Joakim
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From orlandi Fri Feb 19 11:46:47 1999
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Dear Jacques,
(a) I have two contradictory statements:
Statement 1:
> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:53:37 +0100
> To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
> From: Jacques Souillot
> ... omissis ...
> 1)
> Saturday - travel day (for those departing before Sunday)
> Sunday - travel day (for those departing on Sunday)
> Monday & Tuesday - meeting 1
> Wednesday - free, or travel day for those attending only one meeting 2
> Thursday & Friday - meeting 2
> Saturday - travel day (for those arriving on Saturday)
> Sunday - travel day (for those arriving after Saturday)
>
> FormHum being meeting 2), and its dates April 22-25 ; this would allow NEL,
> meeting 1) to be April 17-20.
Statement 2 [Toscano quoted by Bell]:
> This could conflict with NEL. I quote from Maddalena's e-mail:
>
> Dear Jacques, according to what decided in our previous meetings the NEL
> meeting should be be in Th. 22- Sund.25 April, travelling dates included.
> This means:
> - work on Fr. 23 and Sat. 24
> - be back home on Sunday 25
> - get a cheaper ticket
>
Please clarify!
(b) So far I have these answers, for 23-24(25) April:
Thaller, Orlandi, Bell, Nivre, Souillot: YES
Burnard: NO
I would go on on this basis. Those who have not yet reacted to my
message of 8 Feb 1999 [Book chapter & Paris meeting] PLEASE WRITE SOON!
[Joakim, about the Chapter I shall answer soon]
Cordialmente, Tito Orlandi
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Dear Jacques,
(a) I have two contradictory statements:
Statement 1:
> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:53:37 +0100
> To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
> From: Jacques Souillot
> ... omissis ...
> 1)
> Saturday - travel day (for those departing before Sunday)
> Sunday - travel day (for those departing on Sunday)
> Monday & Tuesday - meeting 1
> Wednesday - free, or travel day for those attending only one meeting 2
> Thursday & Friday - meeting 2
> Saturday - travel day (for those arriving on Saturday)
> Sunday - travel day (for those arriving after Saturday)
>
> FormHum being meeting 2), and its dates April 22-25 ; this would allow NEL,
> meeting 1) to be April 17-20.
Statement 2 [Toscano quoted by Bell]:
> This could conflict with NEL. I quote from Maddalena's e-mail:
>
> Dear Jacques, according to what decided in our previous meetings the NEL
> meeting should be be in Th. 22- Sund.25 April, travelling dates included.
> This means:
> - work on Fr. 23 and Sat. 24
> - be back home on Sunday 25
> - get a cheaper ticket
>
Please clarify!
(b) So far I have these answers, for 23-24(25) April:
Thaller, Orlandi, Bell, Nivre, Souillot: YES
Burnard: NO
I would go on on this basis. Those who have not yet reacted to my
message of 8 Feb 1999 [Book chapter & Paris meeting] PLEASE WRITE SOON!
[Joakim, about the Chapter I shall answer soon]
Cordialmente, Tito Orlandi
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I will attempt to make both meetings, whatever the dates in late April, as
long as they do not collide, but I think it will be extremely unfortunate if
Lou Burnard cannot be present, and prefer a date that suits him.
Best regards,
Joseph
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>
>Statement 1:
>> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:53:37 +0100
>> To: orlandi@rmcisadu.let.uniroma1.it
>> From: Jacques Souillot
>> ... omissis ...
>> 1)
>> Saturday - travel day (for those departing before Sunday)
>> Sunday - travel day (for those departing on Sunday)
>> Monday & Tuesday - meeting 1
>> Wednesday - free, or travel day for those attending only one meeting 2
>> Thursday & Friday - meeting 2
>> Saturday - travel day (for those arriving on Saturday)
>> Sunday - travel day (for those arriving after Saturday)
>>
>> FormHum being meeting 2), and its dates April 22-25 ; this would allow NEL,
>> meeting 1) to be April 17-20.
>
>Statement 2 [Toscano quoted by Bell]:
>> This could conflict with NEL. I quote from Maddalena's e-mail:
>>
>> Dear Jacques, according to what decided in our previous meetings the NEL
>> meeting should be be in Th. 22- Sund.25 April, travelling dates included.
>> This means:
>> - work on Fr. 23 and Sat. 24
>> - be back home on Sunday 25
>> - get a cheaper ticket
>>
>
>Please clarify!
>
>(b) So far I have these answers, for 23-24(25) April:
>
>Thaller, Orlandi, Bell, Nivre, Souillot: YES
>Burnard: NO
>
>I would go on on this basis. Those who have not yet reacted to my
>message of 8 Feb 1999 [Book chapter & Paris meeting] PLEASE WRITE SOON!
>
>[Joakim, about the Chapter I shall answer soon]
>
>Cordialmente, Tito Orlandi
>
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Dear Tito and Jacques,
I see you are getting a little nearer to a definitive planning of the
working group meetings in Paris. At some point I made a suggestion, but
perhaps this was not the best. You are free to choose suitable dates,
but in any case, it is necessary to hold each meeting close to a weekend
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I'm back again. April 23 ff. is okay for me. I will answer to all other
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Dear Tito,
It seems that I will not be able to come to the
Paris meeting after all. I am really sorry for
this (having missed the two previous meetings),
but my wife and I are expecting a baby in May
and have to move to a new apartment, and the
weekend 24-25 April turns out to be the only
possible date for the move. Believe me, I have
tried to find other solutions.
If you still want me to contribute something
to the chapter I am of course at your service,
although it may be impractical given that I
cannot attend the meeting.
My apologies and sincere regards,
Joakim
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Dear Tito,
It seems that I will not be able to come to the
Paris meeting after all. I am really sorry for
this (having missed the two previous meetings),
but my wife and I are expecting a baby in May
and have to move to a new apartment, and the
weekend 24-25 April turns out to be the only
possible date for the move. Believe me, I have
tried to find other solutions.
If you still want me to contribute something
to the chapter I am of course at your service,
although it may be impractical given that I
cannot attend the meeting.
My apologies and sincere regards,
Joakim
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From orlandi Fri Mar 19 11:51:46 1999
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Subject: FormHum's dates
Dear Tito,
Some NEL partners met in Naples last weekend within the frame of a European
project (Cameel) and decided that the NEL April meeting was to be sunday
25th and monday 26th.
Within the FormHum group we had reached a kind of consensus concerning
friday 23rd, saturday 24th April. I would like to know if this still holds
true. Then the participants can send me e-mails if they want CRIM-INALCO to
make hotel reservations.
In anycase I am preparing information on how to get from Paris airports to
hotels and to Crim-Inalco. It will be available very soon.
Best regards,
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
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2 rue de Lille
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>From abroad:
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Dear Tito,
Some NEL partners met in Naples last weekend within the frame of a European
project (Cameel) and decided that the NEL April meeting was to be sunday
25th and monday 26th.
Within the FormHum group we had reached a kind of consensus concerning
friday 23rd, saturday 24th April. I would like to know if this still holds
true. Then the participants can send me e-mails if they want CRIM-INALCO to
make hotel reservations.
In anycase I am preparing information on how to get from Paris airports to
hotels and to Crim-Inalco. It will be available very soon.
Best regards,
Jacques SOUILLOT E-mail: jacques.souillot@inalco.fr
CRIM/INALCO http://www.inalco.fr/pub/ensrec/filieres/crim/
2 rue de Lille
F-75343 PARIS cedex 07
From France:
Tel.: 01 49 26 42 13
Fax.: 01 49 26 42 99
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Dear FormHum partners,
just to confirm my participation in the Paris workshop.
Unfortunately on Friday 23rd I may arrive rather late, however.
Best, Manfred
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Dear FormHum partners,
just to confirm my participation in the Paris workshop.
Unfortunately on Friday 23rd I may arrive rather late, however.
Best, Manfred
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Prof. Dr. Manfred Thaller
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Forskningsprogram for humanistisk informasjonsteknologi /
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